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Podcast: Quarantine and Declining Psychological Well being

Podcast: Quarantine and Declining Mental Health


Day 1,364 of the COVID-19 quarantine (nicely, at the very least it feels prefer it). How are you holding up? Should you’re like most individuals, you’re not having a lot enjoyable. However in the event you already wrestle with nervousness, melancholy or one other psychological well being difficulty, lately of isolation and uncertainty can really feel like absolute torture. In immediately’s Not Loopy episode, Gabe laments the lack of his routine — these common actions he clung to religiously to maintain his psychological well being in verify.  Now what’s he presupposed to do?

Tune in for a particular quarantine episode. Collectively, we’ll grieve our outdated routines and talk about the right way to begin new ones.

(Transcript Accessible Beneath)


About The Not Loopy Podcast Hosts

Gabe Howard is an award-winning author and speaker who lives with bipolar dysfunction. He’s the creator of the favored e book, Psychological Sickness is an Asshole and different Observations, obtainable from Amazon; signed copies are additionally obtainable instantly from Gabe Howard. To be taught extra, please go to his web site,





Jackie Zimmerman has been within the affected person advocacy recreation for over a decade and has established herself as an authority on power sickness, patient-centric healthcare, and affected person group constructing. She lives with a number of sclerosis, ulcerative colitis, and melancholy.

You’ll find her on-line at, Twitter, Fb, and LinkedIn.



Laptop Generated Transcript for “COVID-19- QuarantineEpisode

Editor’s ObservePlease be aware that this transcript has been laptop generated and subsequently might include inaccuracies and grammar errors. Thanks.

Announcer: You’re listening to Not Loopy, a Psych Central podcast. And listed below are your hosts, Jackie Zimmerman and Gabe Howard.

Gabe: Hey, all people, and welcome to this week’s episode of the Not Loopy podcast. And in addition what represents quarantine, I believe we’re on day 17, possibly by the point this airs day? Day? They’re all working collectively. Oh, yeah. That’s my co-host, Jackie. I simply, if anyone cares.

Jackie: That rambling man over there, that’s Gabe. I noticed a meme this week that was, I’m gonna botch it, however like, welcome to March 97th. And I used to be like, yeah, it looks like we’ve been in March for about two years.

Gabe: It’s there, is it? I don’t even have phrases for this. And and I, Gabe however doesn’t have phrases

Jackie: Proper.

Gabe: For this. And we put together. We’re podcasters. We take into consideration this shit rather a lot. Like we do that professionally for a dwelling. And the most effective that I might provide you with is, ah, we’re quarantined, and I don’t prefer it. That’s actually what all of it boils all the way down to. Like we should always simply finish the present proper now. Thanks, all people, for listening to the Not Loopy Podcast. We’re quarantined they usually don’t prefer it. Tune in subsequent week when there’s nonetheless quarantine they usually nonetheless don’t prefer it.

Jackie: Yeah. Gabe, how are you? Like,

Gabe: Not nicely.

Jackie: How are you doing?

Gabe: Not good, not good. I need to be as open and trustworthy as doable with out, like, scaring my mother. That is essentially the most mentally unhealthy I’ve ever been since reaching restoration. That is unchartered territory for me. That is unprecedented. This I don’t even know what to say. And I’m I even I’m like, oh, nicely, Gabe, you’re being very dramatic. However right here’s the factor, my coping expertise are all now unlawful and I say unlawful. And it’s not actually unlawful. I’m not making an attempt to catastrophize. I really feel like that I ought to put like a giant asterix up for that.

Jackie: However you could possibly get a superb.

Gabe: All the pieces’s closed. They’re not finest practices. Yeah, however

Jackie: Persons are getting arrested

Gabe: I don’t need

Jackie: For violating these orders in Michigan.

Gabe: All proper. It’s unlawful, each coping ability that Gabe Howard has to handle bipolar and nervousness dysfunction at the moment are towards the regulation.

Jackie: Like what?

Gabe: Like leaving the home, like going and sitting and other people watching, like distracting myself by working in public. By having the ability to go away the home. I’m not an introvert in any method. Like in zero method. I as soon as took that take a look at. The Myers Briggs, I believe, and the one that administered it mentioned, wow, you’re the one individual that’s ever gotten like an ideal rating on extroversion. It’s not a, I’m not making an attempt to. It’s simply it’s simply who I’m as an individual. I simply I actually like folks, and I like them a lot, I want them in areas that possibly different folks don’t. Like, once more, I’m now having bother formulating phrases as a result of I’ve talked to the identical folks a lot.

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: They’re now aggravated with me they usually love me. I don’t imply this in a imply method. They’re similar to, you already instructed us that story. I’m like, I do know. I like to inform each story 50 occasions. And which means I want 50 totally different folks. I’m the man who randomly talks to folks in public. I’m. I simply am.

Jackie: So I’ve ideas and I’ve concepts and I’ve emotions and I don’t know the place to begin. So I’m going to begin with emotions first. Initially, I’m unhappy that you just’re feeling that method. I imply, there’s no different eloquent method, prefer it bums me out. That you simply’re having a very laborious time. That’s laborious to listen to. Onerous to look at. Onerous to hearken to all of that. Identical samesies. Proper?

Gabe: I might use a hug. However as soon as once more, unlawful.

Jackie: Additionally, I’m not a hugger, so there’s that,

Gabe: You hug me.

Jackie: I’m an introvert. I hate all people, however even I’m struggling and I’m struggling in the best way that the place lots of people are like, let’s meet up on Zoom and have a verify in and join in. Like, let’s do let’s attempt to be social even after we can’t be bodily social. And I’m avoiding all of that stuff. And a part of that’s as a result of each dialog that I’ve now could be speaking about this. It’s reliving it. It’s diving into it. It’s speaking about how a lot it sucks, how how unhealthy it’s and the way scary it’s. And I simply don’t need to hold doing that as a result of it’s making it actually laborious. So I discover myself form of isolating much more than regular as a result of like each dialog I’ve for my enterprise, it’s all the time like, hey, are you hanging in there? How’s the whole lot going over there? Each dialog I’ve with a pal is like, oh, my God, are you okay? Are you continue to working or are you continue to wholesome? Like, are you want all of those horrible conversations that I really feel like I’m having 24-fucking-7. So I’m simply making an attempt to not discuss to folks, which isn’t good. Not good. I do know it’s not good. It’s like isolation upon isolation. So

Gabe: It’s

Jackie: That’s what I’m

Gabe: All

Jackie: Doing.

Gabe: Anyone desires to speak about. And.

Jackie: It’s all anyone can speak about. I imply, what else is there to speak about?

Gabe: So that really that that’s. Huh? Huh? It by no means occurred to me that the rationale that individuals have been caught on this topic is since you’re proper. There’s nothing else to speak about. Folks aren’t hanging out with their associates and households. So there’s no family and friends gossip and/or drama.

Jackie: There’s no sports activities.

Gabe: They’re not going to work. So we are able to’t complain about work. These of us who’re going to work, they’re scared or pissed off or. Or.

Jackie: All of us suppose we’re like in the future away from shedding our jobs. Just about.

Gabe: We do. We do. There’s no sports activities to speak about. I imply, it’s fascinating. However the one factor that basically took America’s public consciousness off of the coronavirus for a number of days was that Tiger King documentary

Jackie: Proper.

Gabe: On Netflix. However I can form of see why. As a result of we wanted one thing massive, new, totally different and naturally, nationwide. It wanted to be nationwide. There’s no public curiosity tales anymore as a result of the one factor that’s occurring on the planet is expounded to COVID-19 and the coronavirus.

Jackie: Bear in mind once I was like, I’m so bored with listening to concerning the election? I want we might cease listening to concerning the election. What election? Are we even nonetheless having an election? Is it getting postponed? Like, who’s? Is he simply gonna be our president till we die now? As a result of we’re by no means having one other election? Like, I simply, I don’t know. I really feel

Gabe: The primaries in Ohio have been cancelled. I shouldn’t say cancelled. I apologize

Jackie: Postponed, proper?

Gabe: The primaries in Ohio, the place I dwell, have been postponed. However that is unprecedented. Our election

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: Was postponed. And naturally, all people desires to speak about that. And I form of have a no-politics rule. There are only a few folks on the planet, only a few, like I can rely them on one hand, that I’ll talk about politics or faith with as a result of it’s so divisive. Proper? I don’t. I’ve a lot in frequent with folks that why do I need to sit down and talk about one thing that we disagree with and it all the time devolves into hatred and anger. So I don’t even have that like, like, yeah, I bought. Jackie.

Jackie: So.

Gabe: I simply don’t have anything. I’ve nothing. My enterprise is decimated. My my spouse can’t assist me as a result of she’s scared, and, by the best way, the breadwinner now, I simply you already know, all these folks that have been like, nicely, Gabe lives off his spouse. Nicely, congratulations. You all bought to be proper in the long run. You all bought to be proper.

Jackie: In the long run of a pandemic, you already know, like, I don’t know, Gabe, I need to, like, construct you up and be like, no, that’s not true and also you’re superb and also you pull your weight. And I imply, none of that issues proper now as a result of like

Gabe: You’re proper.

Jackie: Like, none of it issues.

Gabe: Hearken to what you simply mentioned. None of it issues. And pay attention, I agree with you. Like, if we reverse roles, in the event you grew to become Gabe and I grew to become Jackie, I’d simply be like, actually? That’s what you’re fucking frightened about?

Jackie: No, no, no.

Gabe: I form of need you to say that to me. Actually? That’s what you’re fucking frightened about? What folks consider you? Actually 200,000 individuals are gonna die. And that’s your concern? That folks suppose that your loving spouse, who loves you, who has a job proper now that’s steady when you’re secure. Oh, my God. Public notion is Gabe’s primary concern throughout a pandemic. However fuck you. It’s.

Jackie: Okay. Nicely,

Gabe: I don’t know why. I can’t assist it.

Jackie: Good tirade, however that was truly not what I meant.

Gabe: Nicely, it ought to have been.

Jackie: What I meant was like, I can construct you up. Like I might sit right here for the subsequent hour and inform you how nice you’re and the way efficient you’re and the way such as you actually are a partnership with Kendall and all. However like what I say to you isn’t gonna matter proper now. I’m not saying your emotions about this don’t matter, however I’m saying like I’ve one. I’ve no proof to again it up any extra. I can’t be like, take a look at all of the speeches you may have deliberate. I can’t

Gabe: Proper.

Jackie: Try this. Proper? I can’t be like.

Gabe: They’re gone.

Jackie: That’s not true. Take a look at all this different proof that we’d usually should assist that. I don’t have it. So why I’m saying it doesn’t matter, as a result of it could simply principally be blowing smoke at this level. And as an alternative of being like, Gabe, cease it. Don’t really feel that method. I’d a lot relatively say like I really feel you and I’m sorry that you just really feel that method, however your emotions are legitimate. And like, fuck all people else. Proper? I nonetheless need to give slightly little bit of fuck all people else. Since you have been doing it. You have been, proper? Like an unprecedented

Gabe: Yeah.

Jackie: International pandemic. It’s fairly laborious to be like. Yeah. However till this one factor till this one factor, all people was doing quite a lot of shit. Like all of us have been doing quite a lot of issues. I by no means even fathomed the concept of my enterprise failing within the subsequent 12 months, as a result of I used to be slaying it, I used to be doing superb. And now I’m like, I may not have a enterprise in three months in any respect.

Gabe: However bear in mind what I mentioned to start with the place my coping expertise are simply they’re all decimated proper now? One in every of my coping expertise, Jackie, is, nicely, I’m a failure. OK. Gabe, why are you a failure? Nicely, as a result of no one hires me to talk. OK, Gabe, let’s pull up your calendar. Oh, look, this individual has employed you to talk. This individual has employed you to talk. This individual has employed you to talk. Nicely, however I don’t do job at them and they’d by no means rent me once more. OK, Gabe, dangle on. Now we have evaluations at these conferences they usually ship them to you. Right here’s your evaluations. 9 out of ten. 9 out of ten. 9 out of ten. Oh, look, this individual says you discuss an excessive amount of. Okay. Simply no matter. That is how the method of coping with, you already know, extreme nervousness and racing ideas and paranoia work. However let’s concentrate on that final one. Paranoia. I dwell in fixed concern that the world goes to finish. And I assumed largely that I meant Gabe’s world. I now have this trigger to suppose, oh, shit. You realize, I don’t speak about politics for a myriad of causes. And may

Jackie: Gabe?

Gabe: I’ve? Is that this the fault of the pandemic response being defunded? Is that this or is that this nothing like is it simply that is simply life? I simply. And that’s the opposite factor. The information. No matter you believed earlier than the pandemic began, simply activate the information, and there’s a information station that can validate your perception. So it makes it much more tough to self-soothe as a result of it’s laborious to know who’s proper. I imply, bear in mind a month in the past when this was all a hoax? And now we’re all quarantined in our fucking homes.

Jackie: Nicely, to start with, fuck ought to. Cease shoulding throughout your self. OK? No extra ought to I’ve completed this? Ought to I’ve completed that? As a result of none of it’s one thing you may change. Enthusiastic about it received’t make you’re feeling any higher and the end result will nonetheless be the identical. So all the time fuck ought to. By no means say ought to. Stop shoulding on your self.

Gabe: I really like that, by the best way, that that could be my new factor. Gabe, what’s fallacious? I ought to have on myself. I ought to have’d in all places.

Jackie: I’ve some concepts and these are off the cuff, so they might be horrible concepts, however listed below are issues that I believe possibly might assist. Once more, possibly they’re unhealthy. I don’t know. However to start with, you want folks watching. You may nonetheless do this in parks or you may go for drives. Adam and I am going for drives. We’ve gone for drives for years. He likes to go for drives. What about going for drives?

Gabe: So I don’t need to be like the person who like each the whole lot that you just give me, I’m going to love crap throughout and say, no, that’s not what

Jackie: Nicely,

Gabe: I would like as a result of these are glorious concepts.

Jackie: Crap throughout it. If you want to.

Gabe: Nicely, I need to be very clear that these are glorious concepts. However bear in mind, there’s a purpose that I didn’t choose going for drives once I had all of the choices. So the most effective that I can do will not be the most effective, which implies I’m not going to get the most effective outcomes.

Jackie: Proper.

Gabe: Proper.

Jackie: However you may get some outcomes.

Gabe: Sure, I’m doing the issues to get some outcomes. I nonetheless like. OK. Earlier than the world went poof, right here’s my routine within the morning. I might set an alarm as a result of sleep hygiene is essential and I might stand up on the similar time each day. I might then feed the canine, dress, let the canine out, after which I might go to a quick meals eating places and I might order Weight loss plan Coke and I might sit there for a few hours and drink my free refills of Weight loss plan Coke and use my telephone or my laptop computer to do like fundamental work. You realize, reply emails, verify the stats of the podcast, you already know, ship verifications for like all of the stuff that you are able to do, like at a quick meals restaurant interspersed with random conversations from the opposite regulars and the employees and on and on and on. Then after that, for a pair hours, I’d be like, OK, nicely, now I must get like deep down and report a podcast. So then I might go house, OK? That was earlier than the pandemic, proper? Following alongside to date? OK, so now after the pandemic, what I do is I stand up on the similar time each day. I dress, I deal with the canine. I do all of the stuff. I get in my automotive and I drive to the identical quick meals restaurant, which in fact, is just drive via.

Gabe: And I am going by the drive via and I order a number of drinks in order that I can deliver all of them house. So I’m nonetheless getting up on the similar time, doing the identical house routine and nonetheless going to the identical the identical quick meals restaurant and getting my Weight loss plan Coke. I simply now drive it house. However earlier than earlier than once I got here house, I went straight as much as my house workplace, used my massive multi-screen laptop, the entire 9 yards. Now I sit at my kitchen desk with my machine and my Weight loss plan Coke, which form of form of looks like I’m in public. It’s not. I’m not in public. There’s no folks to look at, et cetera. However I haven’t moved into my workplace but. So that’s the finest that I can. That’s the finest I can get proper now, as a result of clearly I can’t sit in public, however I nonetheless must dress to exit and get the Weight loss plan Coke. I nonetheless must stand up on the similar time each day. And I don’t transfer to my house workplace and nonetheless I do all that stuff. And that’s presupposed to, I don’t know, like approximate sitting in a quick meals restaurant.

Jackie: Okay.

Gabe: So so yeah, it’s second finest

Jackie: For positive.

Gabe: Or third finest. There’s no folks.

Jackie: However I’m going to say this,

Gabe: The place are the folks?

Jackie: I’m going to say this, and I believe that it’s in all probability not going to be useful. However you’re making an attempt to copy the routine that you just had. Proper?

Gabe: Yeah, I’m making an attempt to copy the factor that has labored for years.

Jackie: Proper. So what if realizing that that may’t occur, we work on a brand new routine, that’s one thing you are able to do each day. So the trouble of a routine continues to be there, however the final result could be totally different, like the end result, that means such as you’re not going to reply emails. You’re not going to do that. Like, I don’t have a routine. I hate routines. I’m actually a nightmare. I get up each time after which like, don’t do. It’s unhealthy. However I’ve considered now that I’ve like I don’t even have that rather more time. However similar to I’ve totally different alternatives now, like, will we get up at 7:30 and take a stroll each morning? We are saying we’re going to we don’t. Nicely, let’s simply say that we did. That may be one thing new and totally different. Proper? A part of the routine, and I do know that your routine has been strategically designed that can assist you handle bipolar and the whole lot else in your life that you just cling to your routine for. So what if we simply make a special routine? Like what if it’s a drive? What in the event you host Fb lives to attach with folks as an alternative of, like having telephone calls? I do know you’re doing interviews like some zoom interviews, I noticed the one together with your sister. However like, what if the routine is totally different and the end result will not be Gabe is tremendous productive? And he’s getting jobs and he’s doing all these things? What if the routine is Gabe is simply present and he’s nonetheless doing it nicely?

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Jackie: And we’re again speaking about how the whole lot sucks, however we’re hanging in there.

Gabe: First off, thanks for giving me credit score that I forgot about. You’re proper, I’m doing a shit ton on Zoom. We’re doing stuff on Psych Central each Friday proper now at 1 o’clock. Please tune in. One o’clock on Psych Central’s Fb web page. It’s It’s best to completely verify that out. It’s actually cool. It’s a panel dialogue. Clearly, Jackie and I are all the time on The Mighty. The second and fourth Tuesdays, proper? It’s Tuesday? Second and fourth Tuesdays?

Jackie: I don’t even know what day it’s now. However.

Gabe: Yeah, we kick ass. And so that you’re proper. I’ve been making nice movies by a grant with the Nationwide Alliance on Psychological Sickness – Tennessee. You might be proper. I’m making an attempt to make lemons out of lemonade. However here’s what the pandemic jogs my memory of. You ever been caught within the airport, Jackie?

Jackie: Yeah, truly.

Gabe: And I believe many people have and here’s what occurs just about to me on a regular basis. So I’m going to go away it at midday. Proper? Going to go away at midday. And there’s a delay. All proper. They usually say, nicely, we’re going to we’re going to delay by a half an hour. All proper. That’s 12:30. So I hold my ass in my spot. After which at 12:30, they’re like, eh, we’re gonna go away by 1:00. And earlier than you already know it, you permit at 4:00. So that you had 4 hours the place you probably did nothing. And if you get house, you say to your spouse, hey, earlier than I eat dinner, I’ve to get this work completed. And she or he instantly fires again at yo, you sat in an airport for 4 fucking hours. Why didn’t you get it completed? Oh, my God, you’re already late. Why didn’t you get it completed? And the reply is since you didn’t know you had 4 hours. All the pieces was in half an hour chunks. And the factor that you just needed to do takes an entire hour to get completed. Constructing routines is a multi-week course of when this entire factor began. I didn’t suppose that I had many weeks, you already know, partial shutdowns, work at home, colleges closed. You realize, social distancing, you already know, massive occasions have been going to be canceled. This has all occurred, if we bear in mind. And it’s laborious to recollect. You realize, first, we’re not going to assemble in teams of greater than 100. OK. Nicely, sure, it will decimate my enterprise after which I can’t communicate anymore. However my everyday goes to look the identical. You realize, possibly I’ll have an extended wait once I exit to dinner as a result of they’re solely seating 100 as an alternative of their regular hundred and fifty. However then it simply slowly clamped down. Now malls are closed. Whoever thought the mall would shut? I bear in mind the final blizzard, and the mall was nonetheless open.

Jackie: I don’t know the way any malls are nonetheless in enterprise. So.

Gabe: Nicely, that’s an entire nother can of worms.

Jackie: Okay. However I’m going to

Gabe: However possibly.

Jackie: Let me however you.

Gabe: Perhaps if I might have began this three weeks in the past, I’d have odds.

Jackie: Okay. However.

Gabe: However I didn’t know I wanted to begin this three weeks in the past. No person did.

Jackie: Gabe, however you already know, now, proper? We now realize it’s gonna be all of April. The phrases have come down. This entire Easter bullshit deadline is over, we’re saying all of April. OK, so now you may have 4 weeks in entrance of you that, you already know, is gonna be the identical.

Gabe: That is useful. Sincerely. Now that we all know that it’s all of April, that is useful. This provides me extra time. And the truth that it might stend out previous April. Stend out? Is stend out a phrase?

Jackie: No, undoubtedly not.

Gabe: The truth that did, the truth that it might prolong out previous April. You might be proper. And the climate is warming up. And my spouse and I try to take extra walks and pay attention, I’m gonna survive. Jackie, we’re gonna survive. We’re all gonna survive. Everyone listening to this, we’re gonna make it. However it bothers me to my core how we’re simply not specializing in psychological well being as a result of we’re all afraid of our bodily well being. And I’m listening to issues from folks like, wow, Gabe, you already know, your psychological well being isn’t that essential contemplating we’re in a pandemic. That is indicative of a bigger drawback that we’ve got in America the place we separate psychological and bodily well being. Proper now, we’re all terrified about our bodily well being. So subsequently, that’s all we’re concentrating on and fuck folks with psychological sickness. Nicely, in truth, we form of really feel that method already. However that’s one other present completely. I simply suppose that we have to be concentrating on everything of an individual. Simply since you’re bodily wholesome doesn’t imply that you just’re dwelling your finest life. If you’re mentally unhealthy, we need to repair that. We need to be like an entire individual. That is the issue with these in two totally different silos.

Gabe: I believe we should always simply concentrate on well being. If you’re mentally steady however you may’t stroll, that’s not commerce. Let’s repair the not-walking factor. Let’s determine methods round this. We don’t ignore them. Wow, you’re not suicidal. So it’s OK that your legs broke? No. We need to cease you from being suicidal. We need to repair your nervousness, bipolar, melancholy, OCD, no matter. And we need to get you a solid to your legs that may heal as nicely. I simply really feel like we already weren’t being attentive to psychological sickness on this nation. We already weren’t being attentive to it. And now we’re actually not being attentive to it. I’ve article after article of individuals exhibiting up in emergency rooms, suicidal for psychological well being causes and simply being despatched away as a result of in any case, it’s all concerning the pandemic now. That is horrific. That is horrific. As a psychological well being advocate. I simply need to climb in a gap and die. I don’t I don’t even know the way I’m going to a psychological well being advocate my method out of this.

Jackie: All the pieces you’re saying is tremendous legitimate. 100 p.c. I’m gonna however you, although. However that is the expertise of each disabled individual in America till the historical past of time. Incapacity and power sickness.

Gabe: Yeah, and now it’s worse.

Jackie: Who’re chronically remoted, who’ve poor psychological well being and no one has given a shit, the entire world is lastly form of beginning to see this. And I’m not saying what you’re saying is fallacious, however there’s a sure a part of me that’s like, OK, now think about if this was your life on a regular basis, although.

Gabe: Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. I believe all of our listeners get it. We’ve all been shit on as a result of we’ve got psychological sickness. We’ve all been stigmatized and discriminated towards. I simply really feel prefer it’s even worse now. And this isn’t gonna be a well-liked assertion among the many nicely on this nation. However they don’t hearken to our present. So I really feel like I’m gonna get away with it. No person gave a shit about anxious folks apart from anxious folks. Till now, out of the blue all people’s panic, worries, stress and nervousness is like, oh, no, oh, no, all people’s anxious. We should calm them down and assist them not directly. Nicely, what about all of the folks with nervousness? Three months in the past, did you need to calm them down? No. They have been pretend and dramatic bullshit.

Jackie: I’m not defending anyone, nevertheless it’s simple to see the trigger and the impact, an outright pandemic, scary nervousness for the world, who capabilities with excessive nervousness the best way that we do. It’s laborious to see the trigger. You may’t see it as a result of more often than not there isn’t a trigger. Spoiler proper. It’s similar to a factor that we expect is a factor and it turns right into a factor. This isn’t an invisible factor. That is one thing we’re all experiencing. I don’t know. I imply we ended the final present on this about like not feeling tremendous hopeful that it’s going to vary something. I nonetheless really feel that method. I don’t suppose all people’s going to return out of this and be like, you already know what? Nervousness is actual. We should always actually take this shit critically. Nope. That’s not going to occur as soon as all people stops being anxious. They’re gonna return to their regular lives. Proper? I don’t suppose that we’ve got like a transparent plan of action right here. It’s not like do X and X will occur. And I believe actually, possibly that is additionally unpopular. Specializing in the truth that no one is treating or serving to or supporting folks with psychological sickness proper now will not be going that can assist you, Gabe. I do know you’re a psychological well being advocate, however proper now that is about Gabe’s well-being. And possibly which means like not specializing in them.

Gabe: It’s laborious to not concentrate on it

Jackie: I do know.

Gabe: As a result of it’s all the entire world. I don’t actually have a distraction. Once more, I’m going to return to how we opened the present. I can’t go to a film. I can’t exit to dinner with associates. I can’t go on a visit. I can’t go away for the weekend. I can’t. I can’t. I had my granddaughter over a weekend in the past as a result of her dad and mom wanted assist and aid and meals and and simply assist babysitting and cash. And other people gave me shit. I used to be similar to I had a few hours of regular the place we ate pizza and performed playing cards. And for a few hours I forgot. After which as quickly because it was over, folks have been like, nicely, why the fuck do you do this? I don’t, I don’t have phrases for this. I simply I don’t even have phrases. I really feel like I get attacked it doesn’t matter what I do. And naturally, I felt that method beforehand. So this doesn’t assist. Now we have a coverage that we’re now going to throw out the window right here on Not Loopy the place we all the time attempt to finish on a constructive.

Gabe: There’s not a constructive. I can’t provide you with one. There isn’t one, Jackie. I agree with the whole lot that you just’re saying. And pay attention, please hearken to this present like 5 or 6 occasions, Jackie is killing it. She’s bought nice recommendation. We are able to’t change the previous. Don’t ought to your self. Change your routines. That is all glorious. That’s essentially the most constructive that I can get. I’m telling you that people who find themselves mentally wholesome are struggling laborious with their psychological well being proper now, which signifies that these of us who’re in the most effective of occasions scuffling with our psychological well being are even worse. Please, God, attain out. Don’t let a pandemic wipe us out, as a result of I do really feel that that is going to finish. I do really feel that we’ve got shit to do. However for proper now, simply fucking cry in a nook. I’m severe. I actually, that’s in all probability been essentially the most useful factor that I’ve completed this entire fucking time is simply cry in a nook. I can’t. It’s all I bought. Cry in a nook. Cry in a nook. That’s that’s that’s my recommendation.

Jackie: I imply, you may cry in a nook. It’s OK, I offer you permission if you’d like permission. I don’t know in the event you do or not, however you already know, no matter cry in a nook I’m with you that I you already know, I’ve instructed you, I don’t suppose we should always all the time finish the present on a constructive notice. However I really feel the necessity simply to drop slightly just a bit nugget of positivity in there of the whole lot is shit. It’s going to be shit for some time sooner or later. Positivity is coming. However you need to use this time to work on discovering different coping mechanisms to complement till you may get again to your different ones. And that may imply pondering very exterior of the field. It’d imply possibly you’ve realized to color, Gabe. Perhaps all that bullshit that individuals are saying, you already know, all these like on-line lessons. Perhaps it’s cooking, possibly it’s portray, possibly it’s journaling. Perhaps it’s turn out to be a vlogger. Proper? Like, I’m not saying like put together so the subsequent time this occurs, you may have higher coping expertise as a result of, once more. However what else do you may have happening? Proper? You may strive different issues and possibly you discover one thing you want doing. Perhaps it’s meditation. Perhaps it’s taking lengthy walks. Perhaps it’s, I don’t know, listening to podcasts, possibly it’s a myriad of different issues. And this goes out to anyone listening to, like, don’t be afraid to strive one thing that possibly sounded actually silly every week in the past. As a result of what do you bought to lose? What do it’s a must to lose at this level?

Gabe: More true phrases, Jackie, have by no means been spoken. With the intention to compromise, Jackie and I are going to say one constructive factor about our lives proper now in order that we are able to nonetheless finish the present on a constructive notice. Jackie, do you need to go first or would you like me to go first?

Jackie: I’ll go first. I actually can consider no higher individual to be quarantined with apart from my husband. He’s superb.

Gabe: Jerk. Now, if I don’t say that, I can consider no higher individual to be quarantined with than my spouse. I assumed that was assumed. So that’s not my constructive

Jackie: Nicely.

Gabe: As a result of that’s simply my baseline. On a regular basis I you already know, my, mine is about my spouse, too, however not so gushy, mushy. My spouse is 10 years youthful than me and for your entire time we’ve been married, I’ve been making an attempt to get her to look at motion pictures from my childhood. I used to be like, watch this film, watch this film. After all, we by no means have time as a result of we’re busy. We’re caught. So I’m lastly getting her to look at like Clerks and Kevin Smith and all of the Kevin Smith motion pictures that have been actually massive once I was in highschool. So, in fact, that will have made her like 8. So not acceptable. However it’s been very nice to share my early life together with her in a method that we simply didn’t have time for earlier than as a result of there are simply so many motion pictures that we like collectively. Why pressure any individual to look at a film that they’ve simply zero curiosity in? However it’s been fairly cool. She lastly has met Jay and Silent Bob.

Jackie: Wow.

Gabe: She likes them. Do you want Jay and Silent Bob?

Jackie: They’re not my favourite, however I like Kevin Smith, like I like Chasing Amy and I like Clerks, and, you already know, I just like the franchise.

Gabe: She’s by no means seen Chasing Amy, Clerks, and so on. So Chasing Amy, I believe is up subsequent on the gonna watch checklist. I can’t wait to see what she thinks of it. Jackie, thanks for hanging out with me and giving me some semblance of regular as a result of doing the podcast with you, that is that is regular. So thanks. Thanks for being you.

Jackie: Nicely, you already know, all I may be is me, however I don’t know. This dialog is essential and I believe it’s essential to have it. And I believe that different folks really feel the identical method. And yeah, I hate this phrase that I’m about to say, however like, dangle in there. Simply hold doing no matter you may as a result of we don’t know what’s subsequent. We are able to’t plan for shit proper now. So simply take it day-to-day. Grasp in there. Make each day totally different if that feels good or don’t. No matter feels good on a regular basis, do this.

Gabe: Yeah, give your self a break. I agree. Pay attention up, all people, please, please, please deal with your self. However since you’re quarantined and you’ve got a ton of free time, now could be the time to go away a evaluation for the Not Loopy podcast. You possibly can write a e book of phrases as a result of what are you going to do? Go to your reservation, film, or sporting occasion? Your caught. Share us on social media. Use your phrases and inform folks why they need to pay attention. Electronic mail one another. No matter you do, don’t write it down on a sheet of paper and collect in a big group as a result of that’s nonetheless not okay. We’ll see all people subsequent week.

Jackie: Grasp in there, everybody, deal with yourselves. Have an amazing week. I don’t know.

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